WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:90000,LOCAL:00:00:00.000 1 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:13.099 welcome to episode 84 of the lowdown show I'm Neal Graham 2 00:00:13.099 --> 00:00:16.800 Dallas Shannon from traction erag Adventures drawings me to outline 3 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:20.000 their upcoming schools and to debunk some of the myths that 4 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:23.899 surround off-road right where the peculiar moment in that the a TV 5 00:00:23.899 --> 00:00:27.800 Star Motorcycle is the de-facto standard of our age and yet taking 6 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:31.399 a significantly size motorcycle into the dirt is beyond the skill 7 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:35.100 set of many a purchaser Dallas and Company will they hope to change 8 00:00:35.100 --> 00:00:39.500 that have a listen and then check them out of traction erag calm 9 00:00:39.500 --> 00:00:43.500 it's just like it sounds the first few words from those who make the 10 00:00:43.500 --> 00:00:48.700 lowdown possible the lowdown show is presented by ATB ryder.com and 11 00:00:48.700 --> 00:00:53.399 supported by ebaymotors.com eBay has reinvented vehicle buying from 12 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:56.500 click the curb everything's covered with their new secure 13 00:00:56.500 --> 00:00:59.799 purchase eBay isn't just where you find your car it's where you buy 14 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:04.900 it start to finish title financing registration delivery it's all 15 00:01:04.900 --> 00:01:09.000 built in and eligible vehicle purchases are back back to 100.. 16 00:01:09.099 --> 00:01:13.700 dollars in protection this is what modern car buying looks like get 17 00:01:13.700 --> 00:01:19.700 your next ride on eBay eBay things people love secure purchases Power 18 00:01:19.700 --> 00:01:25.599 by caramel Dealer Services LLC an eBay subsidiary Dallas is great to 19 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:28.200 it's great to see you again and let's let's jump right into it 20 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:36.799 with theories and counter Theory. so here's four things that I think 21 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:41.599 we should talk about now. here's a a statement a small bike 22 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:45.200 will teach you things that you'll never learn on a big bike to true 23 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:45.599 or false. 24 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:51.799 absolutely true I've seen what why is that. 25 00:01:54.299 --> 00:01:57.500 we've been in the Enduro Hard Enduro space for. 26 00:01:58.700 --> 00:02:02.700 15 years I've been riding that way for 20 / 20. 27 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.299 and when we ran the tractor nerite the magazine. 28 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:17.099 we did all kinds of experiments. that proves that smaller bikes the 29 00:02:17.099 --> 00:02:20.199 skills that you learn on those bikes translate up the food chain 30 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.900 to adventure bike so you can take an underwriter let's say we take a 31 00:02:23.900 --> 00:02:28.199 Pro Caliber or an expert level underwriter and we throw them on 32 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:32.099 an adventure bike for the very first time in 10 minutes the 33 00:02:32.099 --> 00:02:35.000 riding the wheels off this motorcycle doing things I like wow 34 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:40.099 this is incredible I've never seen a proficient adventure bike rider 35 00:02:40.099 --> 00:02:45.900 hop on a proper dirt bike and do anything except fall off over and 36 00:02:45.900 --> 00:02:50.199 over and over. is this this is true even if the 37 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:55.099 writer of the big bike is is is a pretty decent ride absolutely no 38 00:02:55.099 --> 00:02:57.699 the only that the caveat to that is. 39 00:02:58.699 --> 00:03:04.199 if that adventure bike rider has small bike experience somewhere 40 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:09.599 then that's not true but if it's someone who purchase an adventure 41 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:14.500 bike has lots of seat time and rides over years and then become 42 00:03:14.500 --> 00:03:17.900 proficient or an intermediate is almost everyone calls themselves 43 00:03:17.900 --> 00:03:22.400 an intermediate. that's because our men and it's 44 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:24.800 because we're men and we can't admit that maybe we come up a 45 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:31.699 little short yes the problem I see in motorcycles is it such a 46 00:03:31.699 --> 00:03:36.599 testosterone adrenaline driven Adventure it's intertwined with 47 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:41.699 men's Egos and bike purchases and all these things and it says it's 48 00:03:41.699 --> 00:03:46.900 just a great way to get hurt. I think about the adventure bike 49 00:03:46.900 --> 00:03:51.599 scene in Accra City Riders is it's a central theme in what we do 50 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:56.500 maybe the main thing is that naturally everybody used to start 51 00:03:56.500 --> 00:04:00.000 off a little bikes I mean when you know when when we lived in a world 52 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:03.599 that was more real than it is now Christopher increasingly Urban 53 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:06.900 Society I mean my first bike and I wouldn't even have thought of it 54 00:04:06.900 --> 00:04:13.500 as a dirt bike it was a 125 Honda combat wombat the classic and and 55 00:04:13.500 --> 00:04:15.900 that's just how you learned and we didn't even know we were learning 56 00:04:15.900 --> 00:04:18.800 it's just starting something small cuz you're a kid and they're 57 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:25.000 cheaper because now the world in which we live in a guys your age 58 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:29.199 or my HR are buying you know 890s or thirteen hundred and. 59 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:33.000 and wanting to do something off-road you know the BT are even 60 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:35.600 even just shity Road you know why I called Adventure bikes in a 61 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:41.600 crumbling infrastructure bikes but it it's incredibly difficult to 62 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:47.699 learn when you start are just now. 100% it's it's hard to start as an 63 00:04:47.699 --> 00:04:53.699 adult let alone on a big bike but you just outlined there was a 64 00:04:53.699 --> 00:04:57.699 concept between child Learners which which I was going to grow up 65 00:04:57.699 --> 00:05:02.300 in the in the 70s and early 80s as a kid Real Environment dirt bikes 66 00:05:02.300 --> 00:05:06.500 as a way to get around and you just learn how to ride them that 67 00:05:06.500 --> 00:05:10.600 experience as a child carried over to real learning to ride their 68 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:16.300 bikes as an adult and I didn't even know so in the classes were 69 00:05:16.300 --> 00:05:22.000 doing for adventure classes like intro to off-road I do the 70 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:27.199 interviews ice cream very hard for guys who have Motocross experience 71 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:31.500 from 11 to 14 and I failed to mention that in their application 72 00:05:31.500 --> 00:05:35.500 but for those they've already learned the skill set as a child 73 00:05:35.500 --> 00:05:39.500 and an adult learner will never defeat a child learner. 74 00:05:40.100 --> 00:05:43.199 even if there's been a big gap between demler riding Motocross 75 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:47.500 from 11 to 14 and then them re-entering to off off road 76 00:05:47.500 --> 00:05:52.399 Adventure bikes in their 50s. yeah the skills you learn stick 77 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:55.199 with you although you know I've heard a few things from people who 78 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:58.300 run schools who who also say that you know. 79 00:05:59.699 --> 00:06:03.100 it's very difficult and I think it was runny Cormier was saying that 80 00:06:03.100 --> 00:06:07.100 that he found that you know you had to be really careful and learn 81 00:06:07.100 --> 00:06:11.399 how to interview men who came to his course because you know saying 82 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:16.500 they had experienced often meant they had a YZ80 from age you know 83 00:06:16.500 --> 00:06:20.199 10 to 11:10 to 12 and then they hadn't really done anything since 84 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:27.699 then so yes it helps but also you know it was a long time ago. 85 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:35.500 yeah I think that the experience is a double-edged sword because 86 00:06:35.500 --> 00:06:38.300 what happens is when we're kids and we're learning to ride 87 00:06:38.300 --> 00:06:41.500 especially here that's a Canada or less a North America because North 88 00:06:41.500 --> 00:06:45.100 America in the 70s vast amounts of rural land that we could ride on 89 00:06:45.100 --> 00:06:49.300 with our little dirt bikes with our little gang of friends what we 90 00:06:49.300 --> 00:06:51.600 learn there is we learn how to write off road but we learned a 91 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:54.699 tremendous amount of bad habits because nobody in North America 92 00:06:54.699 --> 00:07:01.500 it's just not in our culture to learn to ride an off-road bike 93 00:07:01.500 --> 00:07:04.699 like say you learn to play hockey in Canada or you learn to play 94 00:07:04.699 --> 00:07:15.500 baseball as a young person in the United States into your large ATV 95 00:07:15.500 --> 00:07:22.100 by you put on a few pounds. oh I love this one I hear this one 96 00:07:22.100 --> 00:07:26.300 once a week I program they apply they give me information about the 97 00:07:26.300 --> 00:07:29.000 bike they were there currently riding their off-road motorcycle 98 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:34.800 and this just happened earlier in the week up there they were half a 99 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:41.000 season in to off-road their their new off-road adventure and they 100 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:46.300 bought an 890r so this is a new motorcyclist this is not a 101 00:07:46.300 --> 00:07:51.600 lifelong Street motorcyclists and about an hour and now they're 102 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:57.399 going to go off-road correct on the internet and the dealership 103 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:03.199 salesman encourage their fantasy to write off road and for me it's 104 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:08.600 a horrifyingly. scary first motorcycle for anyone 105 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:13.300 and even a lifelong Street and motorcyclist who decides to go 106 00:08:13.300 --> 00:08:19.300 adventure and buys the 890r to begin the journey it's just such a 107 00:08:19.300 --> 00:08:23.500 bad decision it's too much bike it's it's a race bike it's it's 108 00:08:23.500 --> 00:08:26.699 it's meant for an experienced rider. 109 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:32.399 so what's the Sprite that down a bit so how did this right or do I 110 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:35.299 mean he's he's got this new bike he goes to your school what was 111 00:08:35.299 --> 00:08:42.500 what was he like what work skills week so I haven't seen him yet but 112 00:08:42.500 --> 00:08:46.700 I can tell you is from our teaching in the Enduro space and 113 00:08:46.700 --> 00:08:52.899 Hard Enduro spaces gentleman show up with a 450 are there 50 they 114 00:08:52.899 --> 00:08:57.000 want to start to learn to ride off-road the dealership salesman 115 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:01.000 told me that the 450 four-stroke dirt bike is a perfect because of 116 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:06.100 their large frame they need this bike and inevitably what happens 117 00:09:06.100 --> 00:09:08.899 if they're going to Whiskey throttle it they're going to scare 118 00:09:08.899 --> 00:09:13.100 themselves and they're going to say this is not for me or they're 119 00:09:13.100 --> 00:09:15.700 going to Whiskey throttle it they're going to get hurt and 120 00:09:15.700 --> 00:09:19.299 their families going to say this is not for you you're jeopardizing 121 00:09:19.299 --> 00:09:23.899 not only your own health but the infrastructure of her family and 122 00:09:23.899 --> 00:09:28.600 everyone who relies on you. you know placating loved ones is 4 123 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:33.100 many for many a large part of motorcycling mercifully I'm not in 124 00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:37.899 that position in my relationship but for many it is which is why I 125 00:09:37.899 --> 00:09:42.000 encourage all writers Square airbags whether they're on the 126 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.700 street or off-road because man oh man you know sometimes you go home 127 00:09:44.700 --> 00:09:49.399 with a broken collarbone and and. those who would report to love us 128 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:52.899 will say well that's the end of that no more no more of that but 129 00:09:52.899 --> 00:09:58.899 what what is it that happens on a on a big bike that that throws us 130 00:09:58.899 --> 00:10:03.200 off so much as it is it is it really obvious question but is it 131 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.399 the sizes of the powers of the way it is is it all of it or is there 132 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.899 something else that freaks out about it. 133 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:17.500 I think it's just that the consequences of all the power and 134 00:10:17.500 --> 00:10:22.600 all the weight. creator of some when the loss of 135 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:27.500 control happens that the consequences are just so high and 136 00:10:27.500 --> 00:10:31.200 what I've seen over 20 years of teaching in the off-road space is 137 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:38.200 the only way to learn off-road and this may go for any any skillset 138 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:41.600 copious amounts of failure you can have the failure after failure 139 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:46.000 going to have to fail the problem that when you're on a large heavy 140 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.200 motorcycle is when you lose control and and when you lose 141 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:53.200 control that's exactly what happened so you no longer have any 142 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:57.899 control of the outcome. and with this huge bike the 143 00:10:57.899 --> 00:11:00.899 chances that you can have a grievous injury or or a 144 00:11:00.899 --> 00:11:06.200 life-changing injury as hot and are many here has always been one 145 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:09.299 hook them on dirt was just really easy to do because it's such an 146 00:11:09.299 --> 00:11:13.500 addictive drug but then keep them in the sport because that's the 147 00:11:13.500 --> 00:11:16.799 hard part and the only way that you can stay in the sport 148 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:21.899 long-term is to reduce that awkward to seasons of learning 149 00:11:21.899 --> 00:11:26.799 where you're not constantly having out of control crashes which just 150 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:29.799 a matter of time before you have the injury let's keep it this 151 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:33.299 theme of the New Riders and okay here's one. 152 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:38.299 said that guy who just bought that P90 are only needs to get to be a 153 00:11:38.299 --> 00:11:40.899 better writer is just see time he just needs to eat just needs time 154 00:11:40.899 --> 00:11:44.500 to ride it and in two or three seasons just on his own he'll be a 155 00:11:44.500 --> 00:11:45.500 better writer what do you say to that. 156 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:52.799 I don't think that's a very good statement and I hear it a lot in 157 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.899 our sport which is oh you just need more sea time gets heat time 158 00:11:55.899 --> 00:12:00.700 gets heat time. that's like saying to Young hockey 159 00:12:00.700 --> 00:12:05.500 player all you need to do is play more games play more games have 160 00:12:05.500 --> 00:12:09.600 more time on the pond and you'll become better and it's true in the 161 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:13.399 sense that you become marginally better over time but it's not an 162 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:18.000 efficient use of time to just expect that seat times going to 163 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:24.399 create expertise you'll never be an expert with just see time but 164 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.299 you can become better with Jesse time and I think it's important 165 00:12:28.299 --> 00:12:31.799 that you know. in my experience watching Riders 166 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.200 of all different disciplines you know those of us who are sort of 167 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.399 workmen like my writing skills which is ninety-nine and 168 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:42.799 nine-tenths of us and that's probably a low estimate you can't 169 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:46.600 compare yourself to world champions to I mean I did an 170 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:52.000 off-road media ride with Cyril Dupree as an old retired Rider at 171 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:58.200 Roseburg one year I mean he know what look like the side of 10 172 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.600 story buildings. and it just I mean it's one thing 173 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:05.600 to watch it on a video but when you're there and you see this kind 174 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:11.000 of stuff you think that's just not relatable to me that is just you 175 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.899 know it and it could be anything in any discipline is Yo Yo Ma the 176 00:13:13.899 --> 00:13:17.000 cello is Arthur Rubinstein of the piano I mean it's it's what they 177 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:21.700 do is not related to us and it's a tough blow to take but we we got 178 00:13:21.700 --> 00:13:23.399 to get our heads out of that mindset.. 179 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:30.200 yeah it's it's difficult with modern marketing that the 180 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:36.000 industry's holding up world-class trials Riders they put them on 181 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:40.799 adventure bikes there during these unbelievable things and it's 182 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:44.399 almost to the point of irresponsibility because what 183 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.399 you're putting into New Riders Hedges oh if I buy this motorcycle 184 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:52.200 I'm going to be able to do things like this and they are so far it's 185 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:57.299 almost alien like and then like you said cello Sports I think the 186 00:13:57.299 --> 00:14:01.500 other mistake. A lot of people make with motorcycle speakers 187 00:14:01.500 --> 00:14:06.899 Motorsports they don't think of off-road riding as a sport and 188 00:14:06.899 --> 00:14:10.899 it's as soon as you put offered riding into the context of a sport 189 00:14:10.899 --> 00:14:14.500 a lot of these things instantly makes sense right most people 190 00:14:14.500 --> 00:14:18.399 understand that to be proficient or an expert at a sport requires a 191 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:20.700 long hours of practice and repetition. 192 00:14:22.100 --> 00:14:26.600 but unless you think of offered motorcycles as a sport you don't 193 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:31.799 apply the same mindset to it and it said it creates expectations 194 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:32.399 that are unrealistic. 195 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:40.000 you don't I always loved making an LG riding to music and I mean. 196 00:14:40.899 --> 00:14:44.299 I work with these guys and we do some filming at a head of music 197 00:14:44.299 --> 00:14:49.399 school at a conservatory and you know these kids that are 16 have 198 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:54.500 dedicated you know 4 hours a day. six days a week since they were 199 00:14:54.500 --> 00:15:00.000 for their 14 to become proficient at an instrument and nobody can 200 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.799 die from crashing a cello unless unless someone know they're can 201 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:07.100 prove me wrong but man oh man you can sure kill yourself on a 202 00:15:07.100 --> 00:15:10.100 motorcycle so we have this idea that that you know you just jump 203 00:15:10.100 --> 00:15:15.799 on and you go when really you know I'm a friend of mine your way and 204 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:19.100 be seeing he just he just had a crash on the GS and he really fuck 205 00:15:19.100 --> 00:15:24.000 himself up and and. you know the ramifications are 206 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:28.899 just so hugin and use it the final point on this side of the Four 207 00:15:28.899 --> 00:15:32.500 Points at Fourth and final point in this kind of relationship 208 00:15:32.500 --> 00:15:36.399 celebrity writer and hear something that you hear all the 209 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:40.899 time that the best writers in the world can make you a better writer 210 00:15:40.899 --> 00:15:41.799 what do you what do you say to that. 211 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:48.399 I hear that statement a lot I see it because of this explosion of 212 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:54.200 media and the accessibility to have a celebrity develop on say 213 00:15:54.200 --> 00:16:00.000 YouTube celebrity Rider or or someone who is at the peak of 214 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:02.600 their craft Celestia Graham Jarvis. 215 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:09.600 my my thoughts on that is I look I Look to sports again I I know I 216 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:12.200 keep pulling at least Sports analogies but I think of off-road 217 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:16.100 riding as a sport on my background is in sports so I use Sports 218 00:16:16.100 --> 00:16:21.000 analogies off.. If you look at the four major 219 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:25.200 sports in the United States that are a lot of money is involved so 220 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:29.700 a lot of big decisions and a lot of very selective choices when it 221 00:16:29.700 --> 00:16:37.299 comes to trainers. 35% of the coaches that are 222 00:16:37.299 --> 00:16:41.799 currently in those major sports have played in the league that are 223 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.799 coaching so 35% that's three out of every 10. 224 00:16:45.700 --> 00:16:51.299 and if you look at 35% how many of those were stars so reaching the 225 00:16:51.299 --> 00:16:56.600 Pinnacle of their chosen profession sport there's only 7% 226 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:02.200 so if you take that logic and apply it to motorcycles it tells 227 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:07.799 you that of every hundred trainers or or top peak Riders there 228 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:11.700 probably only be seven of them who are actually good trainers or 229 00:17:11.700 --> 00:17:15.799 coaches that can break down what it is that they do that makes them 230 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:19.099 so special and then be able to relay and communicate that 231 00:17:19.099 --> 00:17:24.400 information to you and relevant as well you know what do you think 232 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:28.000 that is and I mean it's a curious thing when I was telling the story 233 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:35.500 that Tim Danny Walker who runs the car I'll try Champion said he 234 00:17:35.500 --> 00:17:37.200 wanted to develop a curriculum for soundtrack. 235 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.799 and according to Danny Walker car just look at him blankly and said 236 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:42.500 I've never thought about anything that I do. 237 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:47.400 which way do it just kind of stunning you know he you know car 238 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:50.099 wasn't at this point he wasn't reviewing film I would he look 239 00:17:50.099 --> 00:17:55.099 like and he just went and did it like I'll go in and brush my teeth 240 00:17:55.099 --> 00:17:59.099 I don't think of as a strategy to brush my teeth I just do it unless 241 00:17:59.099 --> 00:18:05.799 I forget so you know how is it that the very best can't do it 242 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.700 where it you know what you know she like you who work at it or 243 00:18:08.700 --> 00:18:12.400 better poised to help me as a writer. 244 00:18:12.700 --> 00:18:18.599 I think you touched on earlier which was you mentioned the young 245 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:23.900 musicians that had been working on their crafts or five 45 years old 246 00:18:23.900 --> 00:18:28.700 they're only sixteen and they're probably better at that than most 247 00:18:28.700 --> 00:18:31.299 adult Learners will ever get in their lifetime soap. 248 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:37.599 example that you're using the flat track they're so good and they've 249 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:42.200 been doing it for so long it's all relegated to muscle memory and 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291 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:32.900 supported by ebaymotors.com your small by come story this is going 292 00:21:32.900 --> 00:21:36.700 to be Neal street I'm sorry to put you through this downs but you 293 00:21:36.700 --> 00:21:39.299 know I remember the small bag think I'm ever going to do 294 00:21:39.299 --> 00:21:41.900 something it was called a bail-in County Motorcycle Club legendary 295 00:21:41.900 --> 00:21:47.400 mile flat track run Saturday night still going on down well and which 296 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:51.099 is near Buffalo New York and they Every Spring they used to do 297 00:21:51.099 --> 00:21:53.400 something out of mud run so they wait until the weather was just 298 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:55.500 you know all the spring runoff in the snow. 299 00:21:56.299 --> 00:21:58.099 and they have this this kind of Dora. 300 00:21:59.099 --> 00:22:02.299 and of course I'd started new to magazine I want to take a 4:50 cuz 301 00:22:02.299 --> 00:22:05.599 you know I worked at a magazine and I was really something and the 302 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:07.599 editor the time said but I thought I'd like you to take this. 303 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:13.799 I think it was a TTR 125 Yamaha a play bike and I was really 304 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.299 embarrassed so I pull up and there's at least four fifties and 305 00:22:16.299 --> 00:22:20.000 I've got this little thing and you know I'm 6 ft so I look ridiculous 306 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:24.000 on it. and the money is off the hook 307 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:27.799 horses almost impassable and so you know the trail would go like 308 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:32.000 this and so the trail would just be littered with dead for 50s and 309 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:35.599 I would go like this back and forth across the trail on my TTR 310 00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:39.500 125 I got stuck in a pond in ATV pulled me out and I got really 311 00:22:39.500 --> 00:22:44.000 tired I had a nap for a couple of minutes I finished third in the 312 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.000 podium and and it was it was absurd and it was strictly because 313 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:50.700 of that bike and I've done the same thing right, these lengthy 314 00:22:50.700 --> 00:22:55.099 rides guys on hard-ass you know kcm's and I've had like a 2:30 or 315 00:22:55.099 --> 00:22:59.400 250 Kawasaki the little play bike. let you know when I get there 5 316 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:01.799 minutes behind them and they're beat the shit and I'm just you 317 00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:06.500 know Ahmad and yet and yet you know this marketing machine tells 318 00:23:06.500 --> 00:23:10.500 us we need this hardcore stuff but really no I mean smaller and in 319 00:23:10.500 --> 00:23:12.900 the less intimidating it is way more fun. 320 00:23:14.299 --> 00:23:18.099 so true is that mean it's it's and I know that and even I get sucked 321 00:23:18.099 --> 00:23:22.099 into this while you know this one this one is going to be up to my 322 00:23:22.099 --> 00:23:26.700 standards but but how do you how do you beat that other people 323 00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:29.799 would cuz he eat you I would think any of any school you got 324 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:33.099 everybody coming in everybody has a preconception of what it takes 325 00:23:33.099 --> 00:23:37.900 to be good and then you've got to just take that and then I presume 326 00:23:37.900 --> 00:23:41.000 you got to diffuse it and then start to fill them with 327 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:44.299 information that you've discovered certain through through through 328 00:23:44.299 --> 00:23:47.299 experience taking through that process what happens when I arrive 329 00:23:47.299 --> 00:23:51.200 at your school. the first thing is I have a lot of 330 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:56.200 forgiveness for you and everyone who knows me knows feels the same 331 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:02.000 way but thank you you know if you come in with preconceived notions 332 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:06.200 I have a lot of forgiveness and no judgment and the reason I know 333 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:10.400 that is cuz I've done it myself I've been in that situation where 334 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:16.500 I thought I knew what I was doing and then only through time I 335 00:24:16.500 --> 00:24:23.400 realize I'm wrong and I've done it with motorcycles so I have a lot 336 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:27.900 of forgiveness for those guys that are coming in any any time you 337 00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:32.200 enter new sport or new Endeavor your amount of knowledge is is 338 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:39.900 Tiny and often it's wrong so two things we do here the first thing 339 00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:45.299 in the most important thing is. we Crush their egos beautiful. 340 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:50.599 on and off-road motorcycle your ego and your price is going to get 341 00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:55.400 you hurt and there's no way to fake it like off-road riding is a 342 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:58.799 situation where if you can off road ride you cannot fake it you 343 00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:01.799 cannot prove to me that you know how to do it when you do is just 344 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:04.400 like a musical instrument you know I'm going to call you the cello 345 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:11.200 Neil and you know fake it but it's not possible especially when I 346 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:14.700 still don't understand how you can play fretless instrument anyway 347 00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:21.200 that's that's a side part so it's it's a very gentle way to make 348 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:26.599 sure just for their own personal safety and then once we show them 349 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:31.000 or once they accept that they're not good and it's okay because our 350 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.700 philosophy here is success or failure we celebrate failure 351 00:25:33.700 --> 00:25:38.099 because I know that they're going to drop their motorcycle 150 times 352 00:25:38.099 --> 00:25:39.599 over the course of the week of learning. 353 00:25:40.299 --> 00:25:44.799 and that's what you're supposed to do because that's what it takes a 354 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:49.400 bad idea then we can we can start with a blank slate and then we 355 00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:53.299 build them back up safely using just fundamentals fundamentals 356 00:25:53.299 --> 00:25:58.000 fundamentals and we break all the bad habits so we have 5 days to do 357 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:02.299 it and it's not a long. Of time when you think about it from a 358 00:26:02.299 --> 00:26:06.299 sports perspective 5 days if you don't think of your cello you know 359 00:26:06.299 --> 00:26:11.500 4 years old to 16th Ave been doing four hours practice a day but we 360 00:26:11.500 --> 00:26:16.599 can get them to break their habits and using keywords our key words 361 00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:20.599 are going to act go in their head for years and it's just basic 362 00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:23.500 space expected so we can get them up and all through Foundation a 363 00:26:23.500 --> 00:26:30.700 quick amount of time but his ego ego they got to let go a lot so 364 00:26:30.700 --> 00:26:33.000 give us a few Basics if you know what it what are the sorts of 365 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.599 things that if I if I come to your school Street Rider or is a new 366 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.900 dirt Rider or any experience dirt Rider. 367 00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:44.200 what are the things that I'm doing that I need to stop doing or what 368 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:47.200 what it may be that or what are the things that I need to start 369 00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:50.700 focusing on just just some really basic things just to get my mind 370 00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:54.799 headed in the right direction of all focus on one thing I recall a 371 00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:58.200 default body position if you look at any sport once again another 372 00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:03.200 spring analogy As you move up the hierarchy of Elite 2 skills you'll 373 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:06.000 start to notice that do the Professionals in this particular 374 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.500 discipline of sport they all sort of look the same their body 375 00:27:09.500 --> 00:27:13.099 language is all very similar but you look at an amateur beginner 376 00:27:13.099 --> 00:27:17.299 and it's like wow their body language has no not nearly a pro 377 00:27:17.299 --> 00:27:20.700 they don't look they looked awkward and uncomfortable and sort 378 00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:24.400 of all over the place so the very first thing we gave get you guys 379 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:27.000 into is a what we call a default body position. 380 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.200 a default body position is where you're going to start to learn to 381 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:34.599 ride off road and only from that position can you start to build on 382 00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:38.599 other skills on top guys will often come to me and be like Oh 383 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.799 I'm an intermediate off-road Rider switching out here almost every 384 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:46.900 day. and when I see them ride they 385 00:27:46.900 --> 00:27:50.900 don't have a default body position or their default body position is 386 00:27:50.900 --> 00:27:55.000 just how they ended up there through seat time and no training 387 00:27:55.000 --> 00:28:00.500 or no formal structure so the number one thing we do is get you 388 00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:04.299 a daddy full body position and only from that place can you start 389 00:28:04.299 --> 00:28:07.599 the climb up a stair-step of skills but if you don't have a 390 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.900 default body position sorted out you have a glass ceiling over your 391 00:28:11.900 --> 00:28:14.799 head that you don't even realizes there but it's going to impede 392 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:20.900 your ability to become proficient off-road it's it's off-road riding 393 00:28:20.900 --> 00:28:27.200 is such a an input of body language so you need to move your 394 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.299 body appropriately for what it is that you're doing and you have a 395 00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:33.099 lot of Street Experience and I have zero I don't know any about 396 00:28:33.099 --> 00:28:37.299 that but I suspect it's probably very similar like your physical 397 00:28:37.299 --> 00:28:41.299 inputs. greatly affect the outcomes when 398 00:28:41.299 --> 00:28:43.000 you're riding safetrack. 399 00:28:50.299 --> 00:28:54.500 and. and this is what I'm going to say 400 00:28:54.500 --> 00:28:57.200 comes to things first what how important it is to be other 401 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:02.400 photograph to film when your ride because you know I'm not great 402 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:06.000 skier and the problem is with that is I I don't know what I look like 403 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:10.000 my my wife claims that I'm I'm standing bolt upright but I feel 404 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.500 like a man I'm in a real talking I can't Square it and I know that if 405 00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:17.599 I saw a video or or a photograph site so I know what I'm doing on 406 00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:21.599 your knees but until you do that just doesn't equate and you're my 407 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.200 life in a magazine I was almost every time I do a road race track 408 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:29.700 I was photographed so you mediately seeing and there's one 409 00:29:29.700 --> 00:29:33.000 really telling photograph of four of us going through a corner I'm 410 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.000 in the lead I didn't stay there but that's just for the purpose of 411 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.400 this I was in the lead and there's three bikes behind me and there's 412 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:46.099 a writer behind me. a very good one but his body 413 00:29:46.099 --> 00:29:48.500 position he's on top of the way he sounded very much like a dirt 414 00:29:48.500 --> 00:29:52.000 riding position he's on top of the bike pushing the bike down and 415 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.099 we're at the same speed all of us are within a few kilometers an 416 00:29:55.099 --> 00:30:00.299 hour of each other because I'm hanging off reasonably well my 417 00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:04.200 bike is at this degree of lean and his is at this degree of lean so 418 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:07.500 he's very close to crashing because she has very little leeway 419 00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:12.500 is right over the edge of the tire. and yet these these basic things 420 00:30:12.500 --> 00:30:16.000 and I'm sure that if he saw himself and if he was interested 421 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:22.200 in changing that that he could he could then start to build that and 422 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.799 you've got a kind of bee you got to kind of be in the right place 423 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.799 on a bike. to start an end and yet we don't 424 00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:34.700 know what we look like it is that true and your experience yeah I'm 425 00:30:34.700 --> 00:30:40.000 going to beat the dead horse Sports and every sport as soon as 426 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.900 you get to a certain level it's all video breakdown the other 427 00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:46.599 videoing your practice sessions iridium all the games of course 428 00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:50.099 and you're painfully going to review those things with your 429 00:30:50.099 --> 00:30:54.000 coaching staff and your peers whether it's good or bad we're 430 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:58.799 going to analyze game game film so two things about body language 431 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.599 that your story made me think of one when we used to write run the 432 00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:06.200 traction Iran which is an off-road digital magazine when we go on 433 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:10.000 photo shoots with these bikes and we're all terrible Riders at the 434 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.400 time and all we do is just fake that we look like we know our body 435 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.200 position make it look like we know we're doing just for the picture 436 00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:22.099 because we just have to cash it on the picture where we can do it. 437 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:32.599 and then the second thing is we've added video here to a program so 438 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:39.200 we're video and all the Riders all the time and then every evening we 439 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:43.299 take that footage in a slightly edited we put it up on a big 440 00:31:43.299 --> 00:31:48.700 screen during dinner time and you can hear a pin drop in the room 441 00:31:48.700 --> 00:31:53.099 because everyone is transfixed and they as painful it is to see 442 00:31:53.099 --> 00:31:56.400 yourself because you think you look worse than everyone else in 443 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.799 your walk word and you ugly whatever it is they see themselves 444 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.500 doing it. and you combine that with our 445 00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:08.200 keywords let's just say it's like chicken wings up or elbows up I 446 00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:12.200 wish is a common problem off-road and we've been screaming the key 447 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:17.799 word at the mall all day elbows elbows elbows and they they see it 448 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:24.299 on the screen and they're like I don't have my elbows up what is 449 00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:27.500 this guy talking about I had my elbows up and they really truly 450 00:32:27.500 --> 00:32:31.200 believe they do I'm not until they see themselves to they realize 451 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:35.900 like it's it's it doesn't feel and look like like a those two things 452 00:32:35.900 --> 00:32:40.000 are not connected you know I don't know why that is either maybe they 453 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.599 just think you're a bad guy in your lying or something like that 454 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.700 it could very well be it but but for some reason we don't. 455 00:32:47.099 --> 00:32:51.500 we can't sense with our bodies are doing from the outside it's very 456 00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:51.799 difficult. 457 00:32:54.299 --> 00:32:58.200 and I've never fully understood why that is but I guess you know 458 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:03.200 somebody sent you a video that goes you know I'm I'm totally 459 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:07.400 doing this you think your elbows are here and they're like they 460 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:11.500 barely you know in the sporting world we call that proprioception 461 00:33:11.500 --> 00:33:16.000 I'm sure that's like a scientific term but proprioception is your 462 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:21.400 ability to see in time and space what your body is doing and and 463 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:23.900 different people have different levels of proprioception like 464 00:33:23.900 --> 00:33:27.000 their ability to understand like when I say put your elbow they go 465 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:31.400 and they put their elbow up but some people know this date they do 466 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:34.400 this they go like that and they think their elbows up in their 467 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:38.500 mind but until they see it themselves they don't understand 468 00:33:38.500 --> 00:33:42.799 so the video Bridges the gap of their proprioception or lack of 469 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.200 proprioception the other thing I'll say about that idea is. 470 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.799 when we get an athlete coming into the program so it's like oh I'm 51 471 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.799 years old I play sports my whole life at a high-level I still play 472 00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:57.099 in my rec league at Beer League at home. 473 00:33:58.099 --> 00:34:02.700 it's easier to coach former athletes to become good off road 474 00:34:02.700 --> 00:34:07.200 Riders than a lay person who may have never really done anything 475 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:10.300 physical with their body sits at a desk most of the day doing naughty 476 00:34:10.300 --> 00:34:15.000 stuff it's harder for us to coach them into proper body position 477 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.300 because they lack proprioception over a lifetime of playing sports 478 00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:21.900 we don't to give people the impression that to going to the 479 00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:24.699 beautiful mountains of British Columbia and hanging out with you 480 00:34:24.699 --> 00:34:28.500 lot it is just a lot of humiliation just a small degree of 481 00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:33.400 humiliation to a greater and and of course everyone's in it 482 00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:38.000 together and but it's a beautiful place and so and you have good 483 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:42.199 food and take us to what it what a typical day isn't and not just the 484 00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.199 writing part of the day but but how's it how's your Camp structure. 485 00:34:46.900 --> 00:34:51.800 we're very structured literally to the minute I know that sounds 486 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:55.800 crazy but we're pretty nuts that comes once again from sporting 487 00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:00.000 background a everything is run off a clock and then to. 488 00:35:00.699 --> 00:35:04.699 people travel a long distance and spend a lot of money with us to 489 00:35:04.699 --> 00:35:08.099 come and train with us and we take our responsibilities to them quite 490 00:35:08.099 --> 00:35:12.599 seriously so everything is very structured we start at 7 a.m. for 491 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:16.099 breakfast we may or may not have a meeting over breakfast with 492 00:35:16.099 --> 00:35:19.199 expectations for the day we give them some time to sort themselves 493 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:25.400 out where kickstands up at 9 we have a training area here on the 494 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:31.599 ranch we spend the morning they're doing a fiery we do a lot of 495 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:35.300 drills and we play lots of games we have a lot of fun it's very 496 00:35:35.300 --> 00:35:39.099 humor based were smiling and laughing my staff is very 497 00:35:39.099 --> 00:35:42.500 gregarious and smiling and laughing and the reason why is 498 00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:46.400 mostly especially early on is that word that you mentioned which is 499 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:50.800 humiliate or humility or trying or trying to. 500 00:35:51.900 --> 00:35:55.599 reduce the amount of embarrassment they feel when they drop their 501 00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.900 motorcycle and we're trying to normalize failure so so by 502 00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:06.099 Wednesday by day 3. failure has been normalized and 503 00:36:06.099 --> 00:36:09.800 when people are dropping their bikes everyone's like everyone's 504 00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:14.000 cheering and it's just it's not failure and success cuz you wanted 505 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.000 so much better to drop your bike than my own bike when I get home 506 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:20.099 that's correct. We do have people show up here to drop our bike 507 00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:26.800 specifically so yeah it's in the morning an hour for lunch and then 508 00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:32.000 the afternoon we pick an appropriate Level Rides training 509 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.599 so we trained on the ride for the group and the individuals within 510 00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:40.599 the group so say for example will go to a hill will ride to Hill 511 00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:46.000 Climb and we'll work on Hill recovery I will work on down Hills 512 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.599 what will spend maybe two hours there and then we'll complete the 513 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:53.000 ride to come back to Camp so that's the day it's it's it's 514 00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:58.800 physically taxing. and the people who are in a little 515 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:03.300 bit better condition can withstand that but even then I would say by 516 00:37:03.300 --> 00:37:06.699 day for everyone's pretty tired so we're managing their fatigue 517 00:37:06.699 --> 00:37:10.400 levels quite closely how do you manage fatigue levels when you're 518 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.000 writing so many days in a row and I've never been to a school that's 519 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:17.599 multi what I've done some two days goes but never 5 days in a row so 520 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:18.900 especially when when. 521 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.000 when there's so many consecutive days of of something that's a 522 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.000 challenging how do you how do you manage it by the by day for five 523 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.199 people are just checking out I mean you've done this a long time 524 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.699 so how do you manage that. two ways. 525 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.599 the first is along the lines of what I mentioned earlier which is. 526 00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:46.000 we normalize failure but we also make it okay to to to not be 527 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:52.199 judged for being honest and we're constantly encouraging the guests 528 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:56.599 to be honest so honesty means we don't know what's going on your 529 00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.300 head so what's going on your head share that with us we're not going 530 00:37:59.300 --> 00:38:02.400 to judge you for it we want to know so you know they could be 531 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.699 fatigued they could be freaking out they could have major anxiety 532 00:38:06.699 --> 00:38:11.800 about what were what we're doing so please share that to we 533 00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:16.900 encourage people especially as we hit day three day for how are you 534 00:38:16.900 --> 00:38:20.900 how are you feeling right now check in with yourself and let us 535 00:38:20.900 --> 00:38:24.699 know privately if you'd like to come to one of the coaching stop 536 00:38:24.699 --> 00:38:28.400 and say hey I'm not feeling very good and then three and this is 537 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.000 probably the easiest way to do it because like you mentioned earlier 538 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.500 men have a really good way of not wanting to admit the truth about 539 00:38:35.500 --> 00:38:39.099 what's happening you know for a million Reasons I'm going to look 540 00:38:39.099 --> 00:38:41.699 bad I'm going to embarrass myself. for the group they're going to 541 00:38:41.699 --> 00:38:46.000 judge me so they they don't let they don't come to us and say hey 542 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.800 I'm tired because they don't you know the peer pressure to go on 543 00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:52.300 the ride or continue in the afternoon but after watching 544 00:38:52.300 --> 00:38:56.500 thousands and thousands of riders and thousands and thousands of 545 00:38:56.500 --> 00:39:01.500 athletes it's really easy to start seeing the body language so we we 546 00:39:01.500 --> 00:39:05.000 we are dealing with quite well their elbows are dropping their 547 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.699 making dumb mistakes on things that they typically you know 548 00:39:07.699 --> 00:39:10.000 they're bubbling the bike they're having clothes called it's like 549 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.900 that's fatigue so we can keep an eye on her cheek has fatigued with 550 00:39:13.900 --> 00:39:17.199 motorcycling is when you're going to make mistakes of course when 551 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.099 you make a mistake on off-road motorcycle you're going to lose 552 00:39:20.099 --> 00:39:23.400 control and when you lose control you're subjecting yourself to a 553 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.199 possible injury so we're very very we have in our eyes on them and 554 00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:30.800 we're looking for these little clues that they're getting tired 555 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:35.400 the ATV style motorcycle is is really the standard motorcycle 556 00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.800 average and standard Street back of our age. 557 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.400 you know that it's no longer a Japanese ujm Universe on Japanese 558 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.500 motorcycle which was course was around forever and and then it was 559 00:39:45.500 --> 00:39:47.599 a sportbike and then it was a cruiser. 560 00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:52.699 and now if you asked me to do a seven year old to draw motorcycle 561 00:39:52.699 --> 00:39:58.099 they probably draw a GS because that's what mostly you see on the 562 00:39:58.099 --> 00:40:02.300 roads are often seen at the say there's not a lot of crazy that's 563 00:40:02.300 --> 00:40:08.300 the the ATV style motorcycle is so common and and with it is this 564 00:40:08.300 --> 00:40:12.800 assumption that you can do anything on it and we've seen 565 00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:17.599 Riders who can do remarkable things on 1300 GS you know things 566 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:21.900 that the rest of us. would never even fathom attempting. 567 00:40:23.500 --> 00:40:28.400 but has this has this been a disservice or is this motorcycle 568 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:34.000 not really as described if you know what I mean because there is 569 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:37.599 you know you see them and you see the promotion for it and you think 570 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.500 alike and you know I can do anything I can do single track on 571 00:40:40.500 --> 00:40:43.900 a 1300. but in truth it's it's not really 572 00:40:43.900 --> 00:40:44.800 that simple is it. 573 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:53.199 it feels a bit like a double-edged sword to me so I I can't tell you 574 00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:58.699 how grateful I am to have to live at a time when Adventure bikes an 575 00:40:58.699 --> 00:41:02.400 off-road are the sexy thing and now when I think about 576 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:07.199 motorcycling I basically it's adventure bikes at this point in 577 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:11.000 the 2,000 2,000 you couldn't fathom that this was going to 578 00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:15.099 happen for off-road Trail Riders riding the wizard beloved off-road 579 00:41:15.099 --> 00:41:19.900 to death and. it's a golden age for us it's a 580 00:41:19.900 --> 00:41:22.300 golden it's a golden age from trying to appreciate that all the 581 00:41:22.300 --> 00:41:25.699 time so I'm happy there so many Adventure bikes. 582 00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:32.000 but I do agree with you it's not as advertised so I think of these 583 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:36.300 large Adventure bikes is amazing street bikes so they're they're 584 00:41:36.300 --> 00:41:40.300 very comfortable you and upright riding position you can stand up 585 00:41:40.300 --> 00:41:42.500 on them and stretch your legs which is perfectly acceptable 586 00:41:42.500 --> 00:41:46.000 nowadays. but it's not an off-road 587 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:50.599 motorcycle so I think the thing that people struggle with the most 588 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:55.900 and this goes for Enduro off road and now I'm singing an adventure 589 00:41:55.900 --> 00:42:00.300 is New Riders just don't understand what it is that they 590 00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:05.400 want to do so they are unclear with their objectives so are they 591 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.699 truly going to go around the world or are they just buying into the 592 00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:14.000 fantasy or or to do they have a nine-to-five they've got four kids 593 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.699 they live in a subdivision and they're going to sneak away for 594 00:42:16.699 --> 00:42:20.099 one day of Adventure and if they're honest with themselves 595 00:42:20.099 --> 00:42:23.300 about what how they're going to spend their time on their bike 596 00:42:23.300 --> 00:42:26.000 it'll help them narrow it down to a fight that makes more sense. 597 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:32.500 dot said. I love that Adventure is being 598 00:42:32.500 --> 00:42:37.699 held up as a value that people will chase because I believe that 599 00:42:37.699 --> 00:42:45.400 anthropologically men require adventure to be at peace and here 600 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:48.400 were encouraging people to have the adventure and it doesn't 601 00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:51.699 matter how you get there I want you to go to the top of the 602 00:42:51.699 --> 00:42:55.400 mountain and look off it and reflect and I don't care if you're 603 00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:02.300 on a 1971 odaka whatever or a combat wombat thank you thank you 604 00:43:02.300 --> 00:43:07.900 thank you for getting that red like whatever it takes to get you 605 00:43:07.900 --> 00:43:12.300 to the mountain is the most important part I think it's about 606 00:43:12.300 --> 00:43:17.199 the adventure for us to work we're providing them a foundation not so 607 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:23.199 they can ride the on the GS 890r and let you know have some sort of 608 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:27.800 ego-driven experience only that motorcycle go have the adventure 609 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.300 will have the adventures you've got to win a window. 610 00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:35.599 speak to do it and just just go but that's her message about the 611 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:39.199 adventure portion eBay has reinvented vehicle buying from 612 00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:42.599 click the curb everything's covered ever try to buy a car 613 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.599 online and end up in a parking lot with a stranger and some blind 614 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:51.099 trust will that era is over now with secure purchase eBay isn't 615 00:43:51.099 --> 00:43:53.500 just where you find your cards where you buy it start to finish 616 00:43:53.500 --> 00:43:58.800 title financing registration delivery it's all built in this is 617 00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:03.599 the modern way to buy your next ride on eBay eBay things people 618 00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:09.099 love secure purchase is Power by the caramel Dealer Services LLC on 619 00:44:09.099 --> 00:44:14.000 eBay subsidiary. thank you for listening to the 620 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:14.599 lowdown show.