WEBVTT X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=MPEGTS:90000,LOCAL:00:00:00.000 1 00:00:17.500 --> 00:00:20.899 hello and welcome to the truth podcast podcast I am Tim Healy the 2 00:00:20.899 --> 00:00:24.500 managing editor and this week we discuss TV appreciation Zantos 3 00:00:24.500 --> 00:00:27.800 Karl Brauer we also talked about impact wrenches and cleetus 4 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:31.300 McFarland's efforts to join the NASCAR circuit before we do that 5 00:00:31.300 --> 00:00:33.799 also like to apologize for mispronouncing I guess they had 6 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:38.000 last week it's Eric to do not lend row I regret the air with that in 7 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:41.700 mind let's get into it. on this week's truth about cars 8 00:00:41.700 --> 00:00:45.299 podcast we are talking with Karl Brauer from I see cars that has 9 00:00:45.299 --> 00:00:51.100 the letter I see as in seeing or fishing cars.com his executive 10 00:00:51.100 --> 00:00:54.100 analyst over there and we're talking about Evie depreciation 11 00:00:54.100 --> 00:00:58.500 the first off Carl how are you doing doing great Kim just never 12 00:00:58.500 --> 00:01:03.600 fails to amaze me how the industry stays interesting just keeps keeps 13 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:07.000 turning along and there's always a good story to tell yeah yeah we're 14 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:18.299 coming off of foxes but anyway we're talking about Evie 15 00:01:18.299 --> 00:01:23.500 depreciation so I see you folks over there to the study that shows 16 00:01:23.500 --> 00:01:30.000 basically. the top 10 cars for depreciation 17 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:37.099 and TVs were pretty dominant. yeah I mean you really saw you 18 00:01:37.099 --> 00:01:41.599 really 22 to kind of Dimensions to this recent study and we do the 19 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:45.099 5-year depreciation study pretty much every year we use the same 20 00:01:45.099 --> 00:01:50.799 metrics and go back 5 years and we look at the MSRP of vehicles and 21 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:54.200 then we look at their current value I love you for like one of 22 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:58.299 these MSRP vs. because that's the only thing that we can be 23 00:01:58.299 --> 00:02:01.599 consistent and confident about some cars from 5 years ago right 24 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:04.599 maybe there's a market Spike and made car sell for more back that 25 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:09.400 maybe there was a market deficit or depreciate when the cars were 26 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:15.099 new lack of appreciation and by the way I worked at Kelley Blue 27 00:02:15.099 --> 00:02:19.099 Book and other places this is how it's always configured it's MSRP 28 00:02:19.099 --> 00:02:24.800 when new and what it's worth three five ten years later on the market 29 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:28.900 place that's it no incentive taken into account either so with that 30 00:02:28.900 --> 00:02:32.800 said when we looked at cars from 5 years ago and then what they're 31 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:37.300 worth today and compared to the. MSRP the car with the highest 32 00:02:37.300 --> 00:02:45.199 appreciation was the Nissan Leaf at 63.1% while so yeah it doesn't 33 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:50.300 cost that much in terms of dollars and she'll just price that only 34 00:02:50.300 --> 00:02:55.099 but I'm code added up to about $17,743 and lost over five years 35 00:02:55.099 --> 00:03:00.500 but that was 63% next one was the QX80 probably because this we both 36 00:03:00.500 --> 00:03:03.199 know Tim that car was like 15 years old and now there's a new 37 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:07.000 one out so that really hurts the value of that you also see that 38 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.500 when there's been a vehicle that's maybe been on the same platform 39 00:03:09.500 --> 00:03:13.699 for a long time and then somewhere in that five-year. I'm all new 40 00:03:13.699 --> 00:03:17.400 version comes out it's it slams The the value of the previous old 41 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:22.900 version and so that that that you lost 62.8% of its value because 42 00:03:22.900 --> 00:03:26.400 it's much more expensive vehicle that was $52,000 like three times 43 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:30.000 the amount that the Nissan Leaf lost and just pure numbers are 44 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:34.199 your money but then third was the Volkswagen ID for. 45 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:40.500 62.1% 4th was the Tesla Model S lost 62% exactly then you had the 46 00:03:40.500 --> 00:03:43.500 Land Rover Range Rover Land Rovers are always high on this list 47 00:03:43.500 --> 00:03:50.400 Teresa Dan Rowley sinuses cuz luxury cars in general lose more 48 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.599 money than not luxury cars and sedans in general lose more money 49 00:03:53.599 --> 00:04:02.400 than SUV so the Tesla Model X was number seven the Ford Mustang Mach 50 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:06.599 e was number eight and then the BMW 5 series other luxury sedan 51 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:11.599 was number 9 and the Infiniti QX60 unless you could be but Infinity 52 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.900 another brand, like Land Rover the struggles was number 10 so it's 53 00:04:14.900 --> 00:04:18.800 just the first 10 there's 25 on this list but yes you can see how 54 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:25.899 the first third fourth and seventh car and eighth car we're all pure 55 00:04:25.899 --> 00:04:30.699 electric vehicles two more Tesla's plus Tamaki and the ID for and the 56 00:04:30.699 --> 00:04:34.300 Nissan Leaf so half of the top 10 cars losing. 57 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:39.399 value last five years were electric vehicles and I believe 58 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:46.300 out of the 25 it was 8:00 sorry it looks the top person is 5 in top 59 00:04:46.300 --> 00:04:51.100 10 and 8 in the top 25 so about a third of the top 25 for electric 60 00:04:51.100 --> 00:04:54.500 vehicles. the last time he hit you on was 61 00:04:54.500 --> 00:04:59.899 the end of February and you were disgusting Lucy Liu discussing how 62 00:04:59.899 --> 00:05:03.899 effective are the Eevee test credit the federal EV tax credit 63 00:05:03.899 --> 00:05:07.600 so how is that related to this if at all. 64 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:13.000 probably not really closely related the one thing that a lot 65 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:16.199 of people want to point out which is true is let's say you bought a 66 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:20.899 new TV and it's 30,000 MSRP but there's a $7,500 credit on it and 67 00:05:20.899 --> 00:05:26.000 you really only end up paying 4:40 and a month later if you were 68 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:28.399 going to sell it you probably have trouble selling it for much more 69 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:32.199 than that 20 to 5 because you can go buy a new one and pay 4:40 70 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:37.800 effectively so a lot of people especially people who buy TVs and 71 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.500 hate the depreciation they want to point that out and say you're 72 00:05:41.500 --> 00:05:48.300 taking it from 20 to 5 cuz that's really what people pay but the 73 00:05:48.300 --> 00:05:53.000 flip side of that you could argue is yeah but if it takes $7,500 of 74 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:57.000 help from the government to sell the car then that also reflects 75 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:00.000 that the market demand for the car probably is not good if every one 76 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:04.699 of those cars was Bette was benefited by a $7,500 credit to 77 00:06:04.699 --> 00:06:08.199 get someone to buy it then that's still something that helped sell 78 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:11.899 every one of those car. before the end of the last 79 00:06:11.899 --> 00:06:16.899 September so instead of going away or not going away at the end of 80 00:06:16.899 --> 00:06:20.500 the day we're going to take it from MSRP and so that's why it 81 00:06:20.500 --> 00:06:22.899 really doesn't matter whether the incentive was or wasn't placed the 82 00:06:22.899 --> 00:06:26.100 depreciation is going to be based on MSRP know the other thing I 83 00:06:26.100 --> 00:06:30.300 want to point out is that we not only did individual vehicles from 84 00:06:30.300 --> 00:06:35.899 the 25 that the best not surprisingly Porsche 718 Cayman is 85 00:06:35.899 --> 00:06:39.300 number one Porsche 911 number to interesting to me but the 86 00:06:39.300 --> 00:06:43.600 Chevrolet Corvette is number 3 because that car not necessarily 87 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.199 is always great on resale value over the course of its long 88 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:50.600 history but with the C8 mid-engine all the production problems when 89 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:54.699 it first came out Cobin all their think I have a consistent lack of 90 00:06:54.699 --> 00:06:59.100 Supply vs demand for the car so it's still holding its value 91 00:06:59.100 --> 00:07:02.800 pretty well over the over the last 5 years I feel like I've seen her 92 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:07.300 kind of a big shift in save the last year the last 18 months I've 93 00:07:07.300 --> 00:07:08.800 seen these things I'll bring a trailer and it looks like. 94 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:11.500 kind of struggling to be sold and people out a lot more than they 95 00:07:11.500 --> 00:07:15.399 can get for them but that's just a lot for a percentage of the last 96 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:18.399 five years so we're not seeing that in the five your number yet 97 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:21.300 I'll check in again in a few years and see if the Corvette still hold 98 00:07:21.300 --> 00:07:26.100 up. Penney at the Toyota Tacoma and Tundra that did really well 99 00:07:26.100 --> 00:07:29.600 but a truck surprise surprise great for home value Honda Civic 100 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:36.600 was number 6 Subaru BRZ 7 to the gr Supra 08 Toyota RAV4 98 Le 101 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:41.399 Corolla hatchback 10 so what do you got in your one two three four 102 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:46.399 five five of the top 10 best cars for hauling the value of a toy 103 00:07:46.399 --> 00:08:00.500 badge on them so we were talking on those two losses 60 + percent 104 00:08:00.500 --> 00:08:05.100 you know the number 10 Infinity I'm losing. He was 58 free but 105 00:08:05.100 --> 00:08:08.800 most of them are at 60 or above these top 10 for maintaining their. 106 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:14.399 Porsche Cayman is losing 9.6% less than 10% of its value after five 107 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:19.800 years the Porsche 911 is 11.1% even the Corvettes 18-7 Tacomas 108 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:26.399 1990 20.20 1.2 so you know you're talkin like less than a third or 109 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:31.300 give or take a third of the value or less but they're they're losing 110 00:08:31.300 --> 00:08:34.399 on these cars holding their value versus the ones that are losing 111 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:37.500 the most value on a nation but real quick last names want to find 112 00:08:37.500 --> 00:08:44.399 out was he also did segments and this was interesting and has kind 113 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:52.200 of the industry average appreciation is 41.8% to 20% of 114 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:57.600 their value after five years hybrids lose 35.4 when was 115 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:01.899 considerably list SUVs loose 44.9 so they're a little above the 116 00:09:01.899 --> 00:09:05.799 average trucks loose 34.2 so hybrids and trucks are losing 117 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:08.799 approximately 35% of their value versus the industrial average. 118 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:18.000 41 electric vehicles 57.2 so they lose about 16% more on average 119 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:23.399 than the industry average and 20/20 per cent more than a truck 120 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:29.600 or a hundred 34% to 35% for the truck in the hybrid 57.2% for the 121 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:34.500 Eevee. yeah okay so the circle back to 122 00:09:34.500 --> 00:09:37.299 the leaf for a second I know you already touched down a little bit 123 00:09:37.299 --> 00:09:40.399 and I think we all know that part of the factor for the leaf is at 124 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:44.299 the vehicle I do leave here but. 125 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.299 probably the age of its platform I can find like that QX80 and number 126 00:09:56.299 --> 00:10:01.299 two how long Tim was the leaf basically the same car its whole 127 00:10:01.299 --> 00:10:05.899 life right like from the time it was introduced to the 2010/2011 128 00:10:05.899 --> 00:10:10.500 with basically the same car until this redesign this past year up 129 00:10:10.500 --> 00:10:16.899 until then it was the same basic car all that time so someone say 130 00:10:16.899 --> 00:10:20.700 obsoletes certainly past its due date past its sell-by date is I 131 00:10:20.700 --> 00:10:25.000 like it's a design platform car and then finally got a new one 132 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:28.600 from a while. Just Slaughters all the old ones at Weis in those old 133 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.600 ones when they want is finally new and it's all new from top to 134 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:34.600 bottom. is that also happening with some 135 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.899 of the other TVs as well I mean or are there other factors that 136 00:10:37.899 --> 00:10:43.299 played in Hawaii views across the border so so so high and 137 00:10:43.299 --> 00:10:46.100 appreciation. well when you look at Like the 138 00:10:46.100 --> 00:10:49.799 Model S Tesla for a number four in the model X number seven in the 139 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:54.899 top 10 for losing value again old designs okay the model S is still 140 00:10:54.899 --> 00:10:57.299 for all intents and purposes the same car that was when it came out 141 00:10:57.299 --> 00:11:01.799 in like 2009 2010 and the model X is essentially the same car when 142 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:05.399 it came out like whenever it was 2015 I want to say so these cars 143 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:09.399 are 10 15 year-old designs and there is no new one on the horizon 144 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:12.600 but they're just they're just old but also expensive the more 145 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:17.700 expensive a car is typically the more the more space it's got to 146 00:11:17.700 --> 00:11:23.000 fall you know it's it's a car so you could argue that that model X 147 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.600 in the model S have everything going against them their luxury 148 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:28.399 cards that cost a fairly high amount of money relatively 149 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:32.700 speaking when they're new and they're very old designs so damn 150 00:11:32.700 --> 00:11:35.700 all those factors pushing them down but the Volkswagen ID for 151 00:11:35.700 --> 00:11:39.399 that's still a pretty new car the Mustang Mach e against these are 152 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.200 not in a 10 year-old designs that barely five or less year-old 153 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.200 designs really. I think that's where you just see 154 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:49.700 the Eevee think they're just as electric vehicles they're just not 155 00:11:49.700 --> 00:11:53.000 holding strong Demand on the East Market. 156 00:11:54.100 --> 00:11:59.399 gotcha yeah and so it's not really necessarily a reflection of the 157 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:03.899 chances of owning a maybe. no I don't think so I think it's a 158 00:12:03.899 --> 00:12:07.799 reflection of the used market so the used market we've seen for 159 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:11.399 decades they won't put the same premium on a luxury badge or even 160 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:15.500 luxury features as the used Market used car buyers are much more 161 00:12:15.500 --> 00:12:19.200 bottom line you know where can I get the best value for my daughter 162 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:27.700 and if I can buy if I come by and I'm not going to pay 28000 because 163 00:12:27.700 --> 00:12:30.799 one of them has a Mercedes bag and one has a toy badge I'll take the 164 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.799 Toyota and I don't care about that extra $8,000 I got to spend half 165 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:38.299 the fancy car badge on my on my vehicle so that hurts I did the 166 00:12:38.299 --> 00:12:42.500 same thing that was true it's been proven true pretty resolutely on 167 00:12:42.500 --> 00:12:46.399 electric vehicles electric car buyers they recognized that's kind 168 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:50.700 of a compromise I'm paying more people in vehicle I'm getting less 169 00:12:50.700 --> 00:12:53.600 range I'm getting more headaches when it comes to long trips and I 170 00:12:53.600 --> 00:12:56.200 like that but I still want the electric car for whatever reasons 171 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:59.299 I want to let your car I'm willing to pay more used car buyer once 172 00:12:59.299 --> 00:13:03.399 again why would I pay. more or an electric car and 173 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:07.200 compromise on things like cold weather performance or confidence 174 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:11.000 to drive across the country if I suddenly have 2 or refueling time 175 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.100 why would you pay more for that I just need the best car for 176 00:13:13.100 --> 00:13:16.600 somebody that's used car buyers so that premium that luxury and 177 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:19.500 Evie's can get from new car buyers also way. 178 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:24.899 yeah it in has have the changes the new-car market had any plate 179 00:13:24.899 --> 00:13:29.399 like but for example Honda canceling three player in TVs plus 180 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.899 the afila of the small nice frame to feel it kind of falling apart 181 00:13:32.899 --> 00:13:38.799 of your plan a lunch shifts in plans shifts and government shifts 182 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:41.899 and feel like I'm regulations obviously be touched upon me to 183 00:13:41.899 --> 00:13:47.899 eat the EV tax credit so if there's more TVs on the market 184 00:13:47.899 --> 00:13:51.600 that has that effect things now that I'm just canceling 3 in fewer 185 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:52.899 options than in the in the near-term. 186 00:13:54.700 --> 00:13:59.200 I think that that is more than offset like you're definitely 187 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:02.299 raising the point that there's less CDs on the horizon and 188 00:14:02.299 --> 00:14:05.899 theoretically fewer for people to buy but there's the lost that $75 189 00:14:06.299 --> 00:14:10.299 crack Credit which I predicted and it was essentially what happened 190 00:14:10.299 --> 00:14:14.500 we lose approximately half the market share of 8% new-car market 191 00:14:14.500 --> 00:14:17.399 share we're going to have 4% with my production well it did a little 192 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:22.500 better than 5% so all those cancellations of the future models 193 00:14:22.500 --> 00:14:26.500 to me that's just the automaker's recognizing we're not going to 194 00:14:26.500 --> 00:14:30.200 sell these things if we invest all this money in R&D and development 195 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:33.899 and launch police vehicles were going to have a lot of expensive 196 00:14:33.899 --> 00:14:37.399 Vehicles sitting in a dealer lots that are being sold so in other 197 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:42.299 words the market is readjusting on the news carside to the demand 198 00:14:42.299 --> 00:14:45.100 level when you take away $7,500 federal tax credit. 199 00:14:46.500 --> 00:14:53.799 all right so is Carl again again with Karl Brauer from iseecars 200 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:59.000 he's over there so Carla really stood out to you and you really 201 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:04.600 want to talk about here. you know I think when we looked at 202 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:09.700 like truck we also broke it out by it like truck and SUVs segments 203 00:15:09.700 --> 00:15:13.100 just to see kind of the top-performing one and I were the 204 00:15:13.100 --> 00:15:17.700 worst performing and you know again you look at like small SUVs 205 00:15:17.700 --> 00:15:22.200 are at 4 in RAV4 hybrid Honda HRV Honda CRV Subaru cross tech Trek 206 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.299 Subaru Forester those are your top 5 smallest cities holding their 207 00:15:26.299 --> 00:15:31.500 value the best you know you look at the trucks Toyota Tacoma Toyota 208 00:15:31.500 --> 00:15:35.799 Tundra Ford Ranger Jeep Gladiator GMC Canyon those are your top five 209 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.399 trucks only their value the best in a bug out there bug the average 210 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:45.100 for the truck statement so you know you look at hybrid vehicles 211 00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:49.100 it's Toyota Rav4 Toyota Sienna Toyota Corolla Hybrid Toyota Prius 212 00:15:49.100 --> 00:15:53.399 so the first four in hybrid category are Toyota's and then the 213 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:56.899 Crosstrek the CR-V hybrid and the Highlander Hybrid are all still 214 00:15:56.899 --> 00:16:00.600 above average of 7 are above average for the hybrid category so. 215 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:04.799 Toyota specialist near weathers hybrids or traditional vehicles 216 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.299 and especially their SUVs and then their trucks as well they just 217 00:16:08.299 --> 00:16:13.000 Toyota has always had a great reputation for resale value in and 218 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.799 maintaining it with low depreciation and our latest study 219 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:20.299 just keeps the continuing through that out. 220 00:16:21.299 --> 00:16:24.200 go alright Carl I think unless there's anything else you really 221 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:27.000 want to add I think I might be able to just go ahead and wrap it 222 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:31.100 here at this point so once again we've been with Karl Brauer from I 223 00:16:31.100 --> 00:16:36.299 see cars that spies in the letter I see as in the letter f as in the 224 00:16:36.299 --> 00:16:45.700 area to see with your vision so great about it with you. 225 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.500 just about every week here and truth about cars podcast we talk 226 00:17:07.500 --> 00:17:11.299 about the stuff that we use in our homes in our cars on our cars 227 00:17:11.299 --> 00:17:15.700 cleaning products tools that sort of thing and just about every week 228 00:17:15.700 --> 00:17:18.599 we have to take a trip with you Matthew guy with us Matthew how 229 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:30.099 are you today how are you doing I want to talk about them is that at 230 00:17:30.099 --> 00:17:33.000 this time of year a lot of Gearheads are switching over their 231 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:40.599 tires Wright tires and rims from their winter yeah yeah you know 232 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:43.700 you got to have a really good set of winter tires if you live in the 233 00:17:43.700 --> 00:17:46.900 snow belt. in order to be venal safe and 234 00:17:46.900 --> 00:17:51.700 tackle the winter properly but now as we rolled into April it's time 235 00:17:51.700 --> 00:17:54.900 to get those off and put your all seasons are you summer Tires or 236 00:17:54.900 --> 00:17:57.900 whatever you've got back on and if you're fortunate enough you know 237 00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:01.900 what that mean them and to have those tires already mounted on 238 00:18:01.900 --> 00:18:05.099 some wheels and balanced on the on those wheels and then have a bit 239 00:18:05.099 --> 00:18:10.299 of driveway space in order to. change them yourself it's a great 240 00:18:10.299 --> 00:18:13.700 way you know what just to spend a couple hours leisurely do it you 241 00:18:13.700 --> 00:18:18.000 can do it a lot quicker to couple hours but it's a great entry I 242 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.200 think it's well to do with a bit of wrenching on your own hand over 243 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:27.000 the weekend of really really helps you know every car you know has 244 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.799 lug nuts and I'm just going to I'm just going to stick with you know 245 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:34.099 that the standard you know for five or six lug nuts are some 246 00:18:34.099 --> 00:18:37.900 exotic said that they just had the big Center one but sticking with 247 00:18:37.900 --> 00:18:45.200 his car which will talk about it later in the show. 248 00:18:47.099 --> 00:18:52.900 but with you know you're 45 lug nuts you can use a standard wrench 249 00:18:52.900 --> 00:18:56.799 you know and you can and you can wail on that thing all day you 250 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:01.099 know yourself and and then get those lug nuts off but I do find 251 00:19:01.099 --> 00:19:06.299 that investing in a impact wrench is a really really good idea 252 00:19:06.299 --> 00:19:12.500 because it allows you to get those lug nuts off pretty quick it's 253 00:19:12.500 --> 00:19:17.200 offers more torque than the lot of us can provide at one time anyways 254 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:21.099 at least what I've standing on the great big long bar tried trying to 255 00:19:21.099 --> 00:19:26.099 trying to bust off those lug nuts after all winter and it used to be 256 00:19:26.099 --> 00:19:30.099 I mean 30 years ago when when you know 30-40 years ago and I started 257 00:19:30.099 --> 00:19:34.700 venting on cars if you wanted an impact on you had to also have an 258 00:19:34.700 --> 00:19:37.900 air compressor and you had to have Airlines and you have to have this 259 00:19:37.900 --> 00:19:41.400 that and the other thing but it's a lot more approachable these days 260 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:45.299 because you can buy cordless impact wrenches that are super 261 00:19:45.299 --> 00:19:48.599 super powerful. wasn't that long ago that I used 262 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:51.599 to dismissal out of this court that stuff is not being suitable 263 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:56.299 and powerful enough what we were trying to do but a lot of them are 264 00:19:56.299 --> 00:20:01.000 in the same sort of ecosystem as other cordless tools if you got a 265 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:04.700 cordless drill if you got a cordless wrench of some sort if 266 00:20:04.700 --> 00:20:08.299 you've got cordless flashlight a lot of them except the same sort 267 00:20:08.299 --> 00:20:12.900 of battery just kind of goes into the bottom of the handle just like 268 00:20:12.900 --> 00:20:17.099 a magazine and I really like that because once you're into an 269 00:20:17.099 --> 00:20:21.400 ecosystem whether it's a brand like Makita or Milwaukee Ryobi a 270 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:28.200 lot of those things you can really grow Your Arsenal of tools and you 271 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:31.900 don't put it on your Christmas list put it on your birthday month 272 00:20:31.900 --> 00:20:37.200 trying to find some ideas for you write this gift-giving idea if you 273 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:41.500 do get into one particular brand really really helps to stick with 274 00:20:41.500 --> 00:20:45.900 that brand especially for these cordless tools in the brand. 275 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:49.900 those are pretty good I'm there are three hundred bucks American 276 00:20:49.900 --> 00:20:53.900 compared to let's say if you're looking at something like me 277 00:20:53.900 --> 00:20:58.400 Porter-Cable is also a little bit cheaper but the quality you know 278 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:01.799 you just make sure you're getting what you're looking for but 279 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:04.200 there's also a Makita for example there's like over five hundred 280 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:07.700 bucks and that's for a reason because it has a huge amount of 281 00:21:07.700 --> 00:21:12.000 torque I just find that those Makita 18V 18 V ones from a half 282 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:16.599 inch cordless impact wrench is really heavy is the most expensive 283 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:21.500 but it's arguably has the highest torque I feel anyways just using 284 00:21:21.500 --> 00:21:23.799 them but the one that I was using this weekend was a 20 volt Dewalt 285 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:27.200 you can pick those up you know what a lot of different places 286 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:31.200 Home Depot Amazon and eBay whole bunch of different places and you 287 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:33.599 I mean three hundred bucks don't spend any more than three hundred 288 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:36.700 bucks for one so far as I'm concerned you don't end the weight 289 00:21:36.700 --> 00:21:40.200 of those are definitely less than 10 times so they're one of the and 290 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:44.799 the lighter ones out there. and I would say it would take I 291 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:52.099 mean it's just a couple of seconds right to to give it and they say 292 00:21:52.099 --> 00:21:55.200 you know the feet Peak fastening at work I'm just looking at the 293 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:59.900 specs here now 757 ft lb that's more than the diesel truck I just 294 00:21:59.900 --> 00:22:02.099 love these I know they're not directly comparable. 295 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:08.799 but saying that you know your your cordless impact wrench has more 296 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:12.000 more foot pounds of torque than some diesel truck since it's just 297 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:21.200 a silly thing right and I love that and you also you know what 298 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:26.299 makes me green as well because you you get that specific noise right 299 00:22:26.299 --> 00:22:30.500 when you're using an impact, especially on lug nut you get 300 00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:43.400 there and you also get this little bit of that you know I do anyways 301 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:47.099 get this little bit of Joy from that sounded so it makes you feel 302 00:22:47.099 --> 00:22:52.799 like you're on a pit crew and thinks that they always be safe 303 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:54.799 when you're jacking up your vehicle we talked about that a 304 00:22:54.799 --> 00:23:00.000 million times but as for the tool itself just hold on to it tight 305 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:02.700 there will be a bit of kick back to it if you're not holding onto a 306 00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:05.200 properly. especially if those lug nuts are 307 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:09.000 really really tight on there and have entrusted on all winter so 308 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:11.799 just hold on to it and know what you're doing put on a pair of 309 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.200 safety glasses if you feel the need and I think this is a really 310 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:18.400 really I just not cheap but I think it's a really really good 311 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:23.200 tool to have in your arsenal of especially coming out of winter 312 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:25.900 and then with the April is there anything we need to talk about 313 00:23:25.900 --> 00:23:31.000 with your terms of safety or forgive me if I don't believe I 314 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:34.400 kept caught you mention this earlier I know that a lot of cars 315 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:41.099 you don't just torque left the vehicle's Owner Manuals or 316 00:23:41.099 --> 00:23:50.099 anything like that either talk about you're so right down in the 317 00:23:50.099 --> 00:23:54.299 correct manner right if you just do it in a circular pattern NASCAR 318 00:23:54.299 --> 00:23:57.799 pit stop at the old ones it's always better to go in a star 319 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:01.299 pattern just because. getting up twerking your wheels a 320 00:24:01.299 --> 00:24:10.500 little bit more efficiently for even more evil and also it's a 321 00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:14.099 really good idea to make sure to retorque your wheels after a boat 322 00:24:14.099 --> 00:24:19.299 200 miles or so of driving maybe even a little bit less sometimes 323 00:24:19.299 --> 00:24:23.099 they can loosen up just a little bit after you've been messing with 324 00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:25.900 them after you change your tire so we talked to Wheels after a 325 00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:31.900 hundred miles or so and you'll be good to go sounds good I'm talking 326 00:24:31.900 --> 00:24:36.900 about thanks thank you. 327 00:24:52.299 --> 00:24:55.500 just about every week here in Pittsburgh Pirates podcast me to 328 00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:59.599 some NASCAR chat not just a quick note to our listeners you may have 329 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:02.299 missed or may have noticed that you would we miss desk our chat 330 00:25:02.299 --> 00:25:04.599 last week there with that was because we were New York Auto Show 331 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:09.799 focused Matthew guy and I were both traveling as well and there 332 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:13.299 was a family things going out into the holiday stuff like that so it 333 00:25:13.299 --> 00:25:18.200 was just difficult for us to get to NASCAR and squeeze it in. And I 334 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:20.400 are going forward there may be some changes to the podcast where 335 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:23.599 he might do NASCAR a little less often or stuff for use a little 336 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:26.500 ass off and were still sort of working through that but for now 337 00:25:26.500 --> 00:25:30.000 we'll still be sticking with stuff of using NASCAR most weeks and if 338 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.400 there is a week where we where we go away from this there's a reason 339 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:36.000 for it whether it's a particular gas for particular topic just fits 340 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:39.700 better that week so if you're a Nascar fan and you like what you 341 00:25:39.700 --> 00:25:44.299 hear a podcast please please stick with us it was it is it was mostly 342 00:25:44.299 --> 00:25:48.700 a temporary thing last week where we. 343 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.000 Star Trek pun full unit ended this week with our teacher contribute 344 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:01.400 to Matthew guy Matthew how you doing today I'm doing well so you 345 00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:07.500 know two other sisters in just a second ago I personally didn't 346 00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:11.700 have much of a chance to follow racing last couple weeks I was out 347 00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:17.900 of away from like Evie the last race at Martinsville Race and then 348 00:26:17.900 --> 00:26:21.799 NASCAR was off over the Easter weekend which it might be the only 349 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:24.700 have two of the season I don't have account I have the schedule 350 00:26:24.700 --> 00:26:28.400 in front of them out because that would take a while and we got a 351 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:32.900 boring but so NASCAR was off after Martinsville which was won by 352 00:26:32.900 --> 00:26:37.000 Chase Elliott Nascar sticks with the short Trek theme rolling into 353 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.099 Bristol this coming Sunday getting back and getting back on track. 354 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.599 not being able to follow the sport as close as we typically do over 355 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:59.099 the past three weeks the last time we discussed it on his podcast was 356 00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:04.599 that for Darlington paint schemes what we want to talk about no race 357 00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:07.500 to go over what we want to really talk about is cleetus McFarland 358 00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:14.500 the the YouTube drivers a YouTube star who has made his bones I 359 00:27:14.500 --> 00:27:19.599 guess talking about NASCAR and he is now trying to make his way out 360 00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:22.900 of the circuit as a driver and Matthew I've got my thoughts what 361 00:27:22.900 --> 00:27:25.799 I wanted to hear yours and bring you in to check your sugar Matthew 362 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:29.099 guy. yeah for real and it's something 363 00:27:29.099 --> 00:27:34.500 that you always when you hear about these efforts first right 364 00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:38.400 here and let me talk to this in the pre-show you want to make sure 365 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.200 that people who are coming into the sport and whatever level it 366 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:46.200 might be Arco or trucks or O'Reilly Auto Parts right to me 367 00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:50.200 just so you know those those sorts of different levels of NASCAR you 368 00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:54.299 want to make sure that they are maintaining a minimum speed right 369 00:27:54.299 --> 00:27:56.700 there means there is a certain level of. 370 00:27:58.299 --> 00:28:03.700 competition that needs to be held up and the cool thing about Cletus 371 00:28:03.700 --> 00:28:06.799 and in Friendswood who's unfamiliar cleetus McFarland is a 372 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:10.799 pen name right his real name is Garrett Mitchell take your service 373 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:15.799 that's bad that people don't know right it's just the the name that 374 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:20.799 he's built for himself with his YouTube channel and he's got that 375 00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:24.099 you know I mean I mean the man is not can't remember if it's his own 376 00:28:24.099 --> 00:28:27.900 race track or not but he's been also doing some stuff like the 377 00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:30.799 Aquatic Freedom Factory race track in Florida right now I'm pretty 378 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:35.000 sure he owns it and like they'll have races and and famous drivers 379 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:38.200 whole world will come in and let go of a race car and fix her 380 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:44.099 however many laps you know what I'm saying is completely new to 381 00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:49.700 get behind the wheel of car and end in competition right serious 382 00:28:49.700 --> 00:28:55.299 competition and now in O'Reilly Auto Parts I mean he acquitted 383 00:28:55.299 --> 00:28:55.400 himself. 384 00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:02.799 you had some had some good words for him right he was saying the 385 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:05.700 quoting thing I could see was you getting excited to catch the guys 386 00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:10.400 in front of you and he did and he you know he did have a brown pants 387 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.799 moment but he certainly he copped the car you know these there there 388 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:19.200 there were some definite not just flashes of good driving but there 389 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:23.400 was another solid performance through the whole thing and it 390 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:29.299 wasn't it wasn't I mean yes it was probably you know for four clicks 391 00:29:29.299 --> 00:29:34.200 or views are four lights originally but maybe you know this 392 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:39.299 is been a bit more. open the wheel in a lot of people 393 00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:43.200 expected you know what I'm saying and his you know his finishes I 394 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.599 think he finished six laps down with an O'Reilly and he it with 395 00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:52.000 that's the old guys called Busch Series ring yeah yeah instead of 396 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:57.299 just a little cup and he said that that was a completely different 397 00:29:57.299 --> 00:30:03.099 challenge than trucks you can understand why the quality off the 398 00:30:03.099 --> 00:30:07.599 car right the level of competition from the other drivers and it's 399 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:12.799 just more going up the ladder more so but he's had some really good 400 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:18.400 experience with felt like the Arca Menards series and if he you know 401 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:23.400 I'm glad that he's ventured into. the O'Reilly series and into the 402 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:28.299 trucks because you you know it's brought a lot of new eyeballs to 403 00:30:28.299 --> 00:30:32.799 sport because there's a lot of people who have watched his 404 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.400 channel I don't know how many millions of use when you start 405 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.400 talking to you now I'll go and look see how many of you have any 406 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:42.200 yet have any subs he's got on YouTube but it's millions of that 407 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:46.700 I'm confident and it brings a lot of new people to sport man and I'm 408 00:30:46.700 --> 00:30:49.799 not mad I ain't mad with it at all and he was able to just racking 409 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.900 cars with reckon all the people messing stuff up but he's not he's 410 00:30:52.900 --> 00:30:58.700 taking it serious and his skills are you know such them sticks 411 00:30:58.700 --> 00:31:02.599 Larkin as well because he's been having some really good success 412 00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:07.599 there and I do I do hope that I do hope that happens and this is 413 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:13.799 something that that does happen if Frankie Muniz you know he was an 414 00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.700 actor and you know what Liz I believe I believe they rebooted 415 00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:18.000 his show. 416 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:25.000 but that's another example of someone who has come into the 417 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:28.400 sport and has not been a rolling chicane right I mean it has been 418 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.200 someone who's the really competitive really racy and been 419 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:35.200 good for the sport for bring the new eyeballs so it's you know that 420 00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:38.500 these sort of remember back in the day you have crossover episodes 421 00:31:38.500 --> 00:31:42.599 right to lease or the crossover episodes between you know YouTube 422 00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:46.099 and have someone who is skilled getting me out of the wheel and 423 00:31:46.099 --> 00:31:50.400 coming into racing is I think it's an overall good thing and I had to 424 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.799 laugh at what you said when we were looking at pictures on your 425 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:58.700 leg why is Luke Bryan and suit cuz he does kind of resemble them that 426 00:31:58.700 --> 00:32:00.400 they do you know how to add a quick glance Ray. 427 00:32:01.500 --> 00:32:04.200 yeah he has some like my thoughts are pretty much similar to yours 428 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.900 on this deal or you just going to sit as a publicity stunt and I 429 00:32:07.900 --> 00:32:11.799 think some of them may just be a little bit just like towards so 430 00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:15.099 that he work at 10 creators the new school of 5 YouTubers and 431 00:32:15.099 --> 00:32:30.400 influencers that way you know it's a little bit like the Daytona 500 432 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:39.400 last year or the year before but almost certainly much better 433 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:49.599 driver than then cleetus McFarland and put some people are risking 434 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.000 anybody else is racist through boneheaded moves and he knows what 435 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:56.299 he's doing out there first will all rookies are good and I think 436 00:32:56.299 --> 00:32:57.799 they know what they're doing I don't care how. 437 00:33:01.500 --> 00:33:05.299 the series do the track into the culture and it's the gentleman 438 00:33:05.299 --> 00:33:08.799 whose funeral on the Indy 500 multiple times and his race 439 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:14.200 everything under the Sun but whenever you're very few people 440 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:19.799 happen to a car at that level no matter what their experiences and 441 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:26.299 just block so I think that's obviously going to be natural and 442 00:33:26.299 --> 00:33:31.500 again I don't have a problem with somebody who is Mike McFarland 443 00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:35.900 who's got a little bit of a bruise his funny pending but where I can 444 00:33:35.900 --> 00:33:39.700 buy Isabel. he has experience with lower 445 00:33:39.700 --> 00:33:43.299 levels it looks like so he's not jumping into the new be with no 446 00:33:43.299 --> 00:33:46.700 experience and it seems like he held his own and you didn't do 447 00:33:46.700 --> 00:33:50.000 very well but again I don't think that suspected is 33 years old 448 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:54.500 he's more or less a rookie you know if he was jumping into the 449 00:33:54.500 --> 00:33:58.900 cup series with no experience and he was affecting other people and 450 00:33:58.900 --> 00:34:02.799 he couldn't maintain minimum speed he was spitting every two laps I 451 00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:06.500 think I'd be more upset about it but I think if he has the ability 452 00:34:06.500 --> 00:34:11.800 and the resources to to belong on the track that's fine again he 453 00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:14.599 might make rookie mistakes you know every driver is new to the 454 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:19.199 series does of course there is that fine line between what is a 455 00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.800 rookie mistake on his being too aggressive and we can look at 456 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.900 Carson house too far for that over the past two to three. 457 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.400 you know I'm fine with it if you like you said to bring more 458 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.800 attention to the sport which I think NASCAR after having a nice 459 00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:36.800 little Renaissance to and Colby when was the only game in town I 460 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.800 think that's a little bit of attention as good as parts of come 461 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:43.400 back online and I don't think there's any particular reason for 462 00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:48.400 it I don't it's not that the sport is boring I think I think I'll 463 00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:52.099 start to the season is probably brought it back to the sport 464 00:34:52.099 --> 00:34:55.400 specialist Michael Jordan being a team owner and his cross for to 465 00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:00.699 feel I think you know. it's just it's about on the floor 466 00:35:00.699 --> 00:35:03.400 with with with the popularity of it and you're on the Fantastic of 467 00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:06.599 all sports and with the exception of the NFL they all sort of thing 468 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.500 to go through ups and downs in terms of popularity and marketing 469 00:35:10.500 --> 00:35:12.699 site and it feels like I don't have numbers in front of me so 470 00:35:12.699 --> 00:35:15.199 maybe NASCAR soon better than I thought. Maybe I'm way off base 471 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:25.199 has lost a little bit of a guy who's known for something outside 472 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:29.699 of NASCAR in this case is YouTube career is fine with me and I had 473 00:35:29.699 --> 00:35:38.500 Johnson ability I never had a problem Patrick Dempsey how big is 474 00:35:38.500 --> 00:35:43.099 the Grey's Anatomy start hopping the race cars at celebrity events 475 00:35:43.099 --> 00:35:48.199 or two dents where he's if you're serious risk to keep up with the 476 00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:53.599 pack and and drive safely and not. beating Black Flag in and not 477 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.800 getting a divorce will contact in the end that sort of thing I'm 478 00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:03.800 fine with it I don't care where you come from absolutely and with 479 00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:10.099 with with that then there are in this is a different level of skill 480 00:36:10.099 --> 00:36:12.300 that I'm about to talk about hearing that too but you talk 481 00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:17.099 about Paul Newman. who was a really really good racer 482 00:36:17.099 --> 00:36:19.699 and and I read somewhere that someone I can't remember if he 483 00:36:19.699 --> 00:36:23.599 described himself or someone else described him as this but it was a 484 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:28.400 in instead of a doctor who happened to be a race car driver 485 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:33.199 he was a race car driver who happened to be an actor level of 486 00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:41.599 his skill and units as well and prayers for seeing something here 487 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:45.800 with with the cleetus McFarland 2 he's someone who's from a 488 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:50.900 different. background rides mean in movies 489 00:36:50.900 --> 00:36:56.500 and stuff like that is one thing but YouTube is that same sort of a 490 00:36:56.500 --> 00:37:01.699 genre if you know what I mean like so creating content just wait and 491 00:37:01.699 --> 00:37:03.900 you're not you know starting racing in. 492 00:37:04.900 --> 00:37:09.500 in in in in little cars in little go-karts when you're 4 years old 493 00:37:09.500 --> 00:37:13.000 right but your stat you creating content in the end of different 494 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:17.199 way with with YouTube and with four points you know for almost 495 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:24.699 for over four and a half million subscribers NASCAR is desperately 496 00:37:24.699 --> 00:37:30.699 wanting to reach because you're right you know for the other 497 00:37:30.699 --> 00:37:34.000 sports coming back and everything like that to mean there's a lot of 498 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:39.199 eyeballs on Cletus is channel NASCAR desperately wants to watch 499 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:43.400 their races and if this is one way to do it and let's not forget 500 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:50.099 don't diminish the fact that he started 32nd and 33rd and finish 501 00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:55.300 32nd at Rockingham I mean that it's an old-school short track 502 00:37:55.300 --> 00:38:01.099 less than a mile sort of challenge that is very very unique and. 503 00:38:04.900 --> 00:38:07.400 I'll write to me from every interview I've ever seen 504 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:12.500 Rockingham as such a hat rack and to be able to basically stay out 505 00:38:12.500 --> 00:38:16.500 of everyone's way have a couple of brown pants moments and be able to 506 00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:21.699 come back from them and I remember seeing cletus's interview after 507 00:38:21.699 --> 00:38:24.400 it's cuz of course the microphone show up as these climbing out of 508 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:29.300 the car as they always do and that's fine and he was like all 509 00:38:29.300 --> 00:38:35.300 that for one spot kind of jokingly in that manner and I think that's 510 00:38:35.300 --> 00:38:38.699 a good thing you know man had a good attitude towards at all and. 511 00:38:39.500 --> 00:38:45.300 he seemed too I think bring a lot of new viewers to the 22 to the 512 00:38:45.300 --> 00:38:54.199 race there at Rockingham thing is it may feel a little unfair to 513 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:58.199 younger drivers who who's who tried to come to climb the ladder 514 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:05.099 in front of the attention he has experience so it's not cold so it 515 00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:09.300 requires money right so I'm at some of those all on Fair wonder 516 00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:15.500 you know I don't know if I have met but I wish I had the chance to 517 00:39:15.500 --> 00:39:20.000 try my hand at go-karting or Legends racing or something in the 518 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.800 middle of the pack at best or bad and I would have moved out of my 519 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:28.699 life or maybe got the chance to race on Friday to do sometimes but 520 00:39:28.699 --> 00:39:34.699 you know you need money to do that a little league team right or even 521 00:39:34.699 --> 00:39:35.099 a hockey team. 522 00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:53.000 but it wasn't quite racing money I wasn't very good at 2 to do this 523 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:57.599 because he's well-known but on the other hand the money he makes may 524 00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:04.099 help you to help pay for this opportunity for your old young 525 00:40:04.099 --> 00:40:07.800 driver who has talent but no money and it doesn't have nothing to 526 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.000 catch the right persons I may never get that shot and it's true 527 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:14.000 All Pro Sports I think I think it's doubly true with racing just 528 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:20.000 given the costs involved that's my only real issue here is that some 529 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:32.900 of these play the car seat I think he believed he was actually doing 530 00:40:32.900 --> 00:40:36.599 well at a younger age you can start getting attention for being 531 00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:38.800 in truck sounds like 30 so I don't want to undersell him. 532 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:43.300 but you know with the exception of maybe it's a little unfair from 533 00:40:43.300 --> 00:40:45.800 one perspective I have no problem with all this and I think it's 534 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:49.000 probably a good thing for NASCAR in the in the end as long as he 535 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:53.300 doesn't mess up as long as he lost his getting the Cup race and go 536 00:40:53.300 --> 00:40:56.500 out there in the second lap scrub someone's playoff chances that and 537 00:40:56.500 --> 00:40:59.000 then you start having problems then that's that's a different 538 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:06.099 conversation altogether and that's in in his own words right that you 539 00:41:06.099 --> 00:41:10.599 said did I ruin anyone's day other than my own I did not know that he 540 00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:17.599 felt that he learned a lot then if I'm I believe I'm correct in 541 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.500 saying this that one of the reasons he ran this race was so 542 00:41:20.500 --> 00:41:23.400 that he could run Talladega later on it was part of a licensee 543 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:30.800 that's the idea of you are right you are so and that's you know 544 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.099 what's all the growth and you talk about money is all the money 545 00:41:33.099 --> 00:41:38.599 racket I mean how do you make a small fortune in racing you start 546 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:42.500 with a large one. correct and. 547 00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.599 that's the sort of thing and it just cost money to sign these 548 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:50.500 things and there's being all is it is what it is there's there's 549 00:41:50.500 --> 00:41:54.500 always going to be Talent out there that is on realized and went 550 00:41:54.500 --> 00:42:00.599 when we were you know when we were kids you heard about the Gran 551 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:09.900 Turismo GT Academy had a fit active Sim racing and actually put 552 00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:13.900 them in seats but on that may have been very good I don't I don't 553 00:42:13.900 --> 00:42:20.900 know if I don't know how it turned out but and even onto some success 554 00:42:20.900 --> 00:42:25.199 but I mean these days there's more to racing to then just finished 555 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:29.400 finishing finishing well you got it you know when you got to be 556 00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:35.699 very very good half of me to do what he does for a living and so 557 00:42:35.699 --> 00:42:41.500 that's part of the appeal in and should choose to run full time in 558 00:42:41.500 --> 00:42:43.400 our car or something there or in trucks. 559 00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:47.199 wherever he chooses to go if he chooses to go anywhere that's part 560 00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:51.199 of his deal is part of his package and part of the strength of he'll 561 00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:55.900 bring to whatever team should he choose to go in and do that right 562 00:42:55.900 --> 00:43:00.199 yeah alright well with that was just about the time here and ask 563 00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:04.500 our portion of the truth about cars podcast this week I will be 564 00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:08.400 back talking most likely and Kathy are always have to change 565 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:13.900 sometimes things Poppin to me just like the picture part of the thing 566 00:43:13.900 --> 00:43:16.199 and kind of popped up in a minute if we end up talking about a foot 567 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:25.699 is in Bristol so short tractor short track two weeks of two races 568 00:43:25.699 --> 00:43:28.500 in a row not two weeks in a row as there's NASCAR was off for Easter 569 00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:32.300 so with that Matthew thank you so much for your time you Matthew guy 570 00:43:32.300 --> 00:43:36.800 on thanks again thank you. that's it for this week's the 571 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.599 truth about cars podcast I am Tim Healy the managing editor and you 572 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:43.500 can find us wherever your podcast you can also find us 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